THE LIBERTARIAN ENTERPRISE
Number 483, August 31, 2008
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Re: "We Might As Well Face It, We're Addicted To War" by Doug Newman
If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything you hit turns out to be your thumb. (Anybody who has a problem with that, buy a bandsawyou've got nine more digits).
Like Neil says, anybody in favor of war and in a position of delegated authority, put those assholes in front. Second line designated to shoot them in the balls or buttocks when (not if, when) they turn and run. Not the head, they don't deserve an easy death. That last is my words, not Neil's.
Susan Callaway wrote:
Susan, this was a hypothetical example of the sort of behavior which, in a free society, might occur and not be legally prosecutable. The point of the example was the behavior in question, specifically, adults having sex in public where children could see them, not whether or not a given type of school, or any school, would exist in such a society.
"Legally" in this case means 'according to the law'. In any society, there is always going to be crime, and other disputes between individuals. If you want anything other than the 'anarchy' which our current politicians claim is synonymous with freedom, there is going to have to be a mechanism or government (or more than one) existing in that society, and accepted as valid by the vast majority of it's population, in order to settle such disputes, and assign punishments for crimes, on behalf of those individuals who are unable or unwilling to do so for themselves. If this government is not to be an arbitrary dictatorship, there is going to have to be a set of laws, applying to everyone, which it follows. So long as this government(s) does not initiate force, punishes ONLY those who have previously initiated force or fraud against someone, and does not grant special privileges to any person or group whereby they are able to get away with initiating force or fraud without fear of consequences, and the set of laws which exist in that society do not proscribe punishments for those who have not initiated force or fraud, their existence is not incompatible with a free society. So, when I say, it would be *legal* in a free society for a group of adults to engage in an orgy where others, including children could see them, what I mean is, that there is no law in that society dictating that they be forcibly stopped or punished (by force) for their activity, and that any person or group who DID use force to stop or punish them, would themselves, be subject to punishment of some kind.
Well, I'm more like Hans Solo: I can imagine a hell of a lot. As for 'other personal functions', you should know that in ancient Rome, people went to the toilet in groups, in full view of each other. An ancient Roman would no more think of going to a private walled off stall to go to the toilet, than we would think of going to a large room full of toilets, all in full view of each other. It is a mistake to assume that the particular set of customs and prejudices that happen to exist in our society, would necessarily exist in a hypothetical free society, or even a hypothetical non-free society existing several centuries in the future.
If these consequences include beating me up, setting my house on fire, or otherwise initiating force against me, and this is legal (The law says you may do so or there are no consequences to you for doing so) it is not a free society. It is either an anarchy or a tyranny. However, there are OTHER consequences are compatible with a free society, such as being shunned or not given a job. In addition, people who do not wish to view a public orgy are free to use their feet and walk elsewhere, where they do not have to view it.
I have no idea if I am ready for a free society or not. I do know that you have made one very large mistake in your reasoning, you have bought the brainwashing bit of the church and government that sex is BAD, the mere sight of it inherently immoral and harmful, and it necessarily needs to be kept out of the sight of children. This line of reasoning will inevitably lead you to a theocracy, whether you intend it to do so or not. Sex is a simply a normal biological act, dictated by our evolution. It is no more, nor less, nor otherwise immoral than breathing or eating. Your statements regarding it being 'private and intimate' are entirely subjective and unprovable (the fact that I myself might partially agree with that statement is not proof, btw). I will grant you that there are very good reasons why one should not have sex WITH children, in the same manner, that one should not feed steak to a baby without teeth. That said, it does not necessarily follow that merely seeing others have sex will cause a child harm any more than seeing others eat steak will cause a baby harm.
I should also point out that the current attitude in our society of sex being inherently immoral, is a very large part of how our current government keeps power over our society. If you doubt this, take a good look at the issues Socialist Party A and Socialist Party B are using to either divide our society, or gain more control over it. Abortion. Gay rights. Porn on the internet that 'the children' might see. It's all about sex. So long as you 'buy the premise' that sex is inherently immoral, so immoral that the use of force is justified in intervening in the sexual choices of others (whether this choice consists of gay sex in private, or straight sex in public, or anything else), you're inevitably going to 'buy the bit' of a tyrannical government.
TLE and NoTaxHikers.org
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Excerpt from a news item:
Aug 30, 11:56 AM EDT
Ron Paul followers gathering for own convention
WASHINGTON (AP)There's no room at the Xcel Energy Center for maverick Ron Paul, so his acolytes have packed their cars, hitched rides on "Ronvoys" and will pitch tents at Ronstock '08 in Minneapolis in defiance of next week's GOP convention in St. Paul, Minn.
Almost 9,800 tickets had been sold for the Rally for the Republic, which seeks to bring together activists who are anti-war, anti-government regulation, anti-immigration, anti-taxes, anti-Federal Reserve, anti-outsourcing, pro-individual liberty, pro-civil liberties and pro-Paul.
Rally for The Republic: www.rallyfortherepublic.com
Republican National Convention: www.gopconvention2008.com
Libertarian Alliance Prize Essay Announcement (1,000 pounds)
LIBERTARIAN ALLIANCE ESSAY PRIZE (£1,000): IS BIG BUSINESS PART OF THE FREE MARKET?
The Libertarian Alliance, the radical free market and civil liberties policy institute, today announces the title for its 2008 Chris R. Tame Memorial Essay Prize competition.
This Prize is funded by a generous grant from The PROMIS Unit of Primary Care and is in honour of Chris R. Tame (1949-2006) Founder and first Director of the Libertarian Alliance. The Prize is worth £1000.
The essay title for 2008 is:
"Can a Libertarian Society be Described as 'Tesco minus the State'?"
The purpose of this year's essay title is to draw wider attention to a debate that has been taking place within the libertarian movement for over a century, and that is now more relevant than ever: is big business really part of the free market in which libertarians believe? Or is it just the "third way" between free enterprise and socialism?
Many socialists and conservatives regard libertarians as cheerleaders for big business. Our belief in free enterprise is understood as support for the bigger, and therefore the more successful, corporations - General Motors, Microsoft, HSBC, Tesco, and so forthand for an international financial system centred on the City of London.
Some libertarians are happy to be so regarded. They dislike the way in which big government provides opportunities for big business to acquire privileges that shelter it from competition. Even so, they believe that a world without government, or a world with much less government, would be broadly similar in its patterns of enterprise to the world that we now have. It would be much improved, but not fundamentally dissimilar.
Other libertarians disagree. They regard big business as fundamentally a creation of big government. Incorporation laws free entrepreneurs from personal risk and personal responsibility, and allow the growth of large business organisations that are bureaucratically managed. These organisations then cartellise their markets and externalise many of their costs. The result is systematic distortion of market behaviour from the forms it would take without government intervention. These libertarians often go further in their analysis by denying the legitimacy of intellectual property rights and ownership rights in land beyond what any individual can directly use.
Where do you stand in this debate? Are you broadly comfortable with a global capitalism that is raising billions of people from starvation towards affluence. Or are you a radical with a vision of a society that has never yet been tried and is as alien and even frightening to most people as anything promised by the Marxists.
The winner of the 2008 competition will be announced at the London conference of the Libertarian Alliance, on Saturday the 25th October at the National Liberal Club.
Full details of the Prize at
Full details of the Conference at
Dr Sean Gabb
This news release will also be placed on the Libertarian Alliance blog at
The Milgram Experiment
Long version. Google video
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It seems people won't change and defy Authority unless they have heard of this experiment, first conducted in 1963.